This is the third series of Agile Framework Fight night. This fight night was hosted in Seattle by Beyond Agile. Like the first Agile Framework Fight Night, we brought together another winning panel of experts to represent the frameworks of DA, Fast Agile, LeSS, and SaFE. Agile Framework Fight Night, the SECOND SERIES happened at Beyond Agile, transmitted from Seattle. You can find Beyond Agile at Meetup.com here: https://www.meetup.com/BeyondAgile/
The expert panelists are:
Ricardo “Dad of Doom” Garcia from Team DA
This “Dad of Doom” has over 30 years of industry experience and has implemented and managed numerous software projects using Agile Practices for Fortune 500 companies. His work has been featured in white papers, cover stories in magazines, and is a frequent speaker at conferences and Agile expert panels. He is the organizer behind Seattle Disciplined Agile Meetup: https://www.meetup.com/Seattle-Disciplined-Agile-Meetup/
Ron Quartel AKA “Crocodile Ron-dee”
Software Crafter, Disruptor, Pioneer and Intrapreneuer. On a mission to unleash the human spirit in the workplace. Founder of FAST Agile. https://www.fastagile.io
Viktor “the Simplifier” Grgic
Viktor is an Agile Coach, software developer and Certified LeSS trainer with 17 years of experience in delivering enterprise systems and Agile adoptions. He worked first 15 years in The Netherlands, and since 2013 in Hong Kong. https://less.works/profiles/viktor-grgic
Barry Smith, the Nexus Knight
Is a member of Unify’s Lean-Agile practice, and committed to helping product teams to enjoy a better way of working and delivering exceptional value to their customers. His over 25+ years of working in technology has shown him that innovation can be fostered anywhere, from startups to Fortune 500 firms.
Lancer “Unkind” Kind, moderating
“Unkind” lives in Kirkland, and loves nothing more than writing micro tested software. For the last five years he has delivered consulting services in China, India, as well as the USA. He’s a publishing author of science fiction and Agile Noir, a project management business novel. He’s podcasting at Agile Thoughts, 敏捷理念 (the Chinese edition of Agile Thoughts), and SciFi Thoughts. His Agile at scale business novel is “continuously delivered” via Lean Pub at: https://leanpub.com/AgileGrande
Here is a link to this Beyond Agile event in Meetup which contains comments about the fight night: https://www.meetup.com/beyondagile/events/286465281/
You can listen to the first and second Bouts of Agile Framework Fight Night series here: https://agilenoir.biz/en/agilethoughts/agile-framework-fight-night/
Chat record from Bout 3 of Agile Framework Fight Night
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:04 PM)
I know Niels Pflaeging.
Would you like me to ask him if he’d like to speak to this group?
Aki Namioka to Everyone (10:05 PM)
Where is Niels Pflaeging located?
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:06 PM)
Germany
Ricardo to Everyone (10:08 PM)
For Jobs at Costco pls send me an email at ricardo.garcia@costco.com
shama to Everyone (10:08 PM)
Ron Lichty to Everyone (10:10 PM)
Enterprise Agile Global Community: Dennis Stevens: Agile for Execs: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89071064881?pwd=a1NoY2ptN3BudGd1OGNINXNtQ0ZYQT09
Josh Novajosky to Everyone (10:11 PM)
Amazing shirt Ron
Barry L Smith to Everyone (10:18 PM)
“LeSS”, of course, refers to “Lightweight Similarity to Scrum” – really, they copied all their good ideas from Nexus.
Ron Lichty to Everyone (10:24 PM)
I thought I heard Paige Watson describe the FAST meeting as five PdMs bringing in the five priorities for the cycle?
Is a “nexus” essentially what others are calling a “tribe”?
Barry L Smith to Everyone (10:27 PM)
Yes, similar to tribe or ART (Agile Release Train) – the group of teams that are collaborating in developing & delivering a Product Backlog.
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:29 PM)
Seems like HUGE enterprises would have HUGE concerns (problems) to resolve for the people of the world and inside the organization.
Silpa to Everyone (10:31 PM)
Our scrum team is of 16 members. We formed mini scrum teams of 4 in each team with 1 PO, 1 SM, making sure we have a process expert supporting each mini scrum team.
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:31 PM)
The crafting of experiments to see if hardware/software or other kinds of “works” is what runs through an organization. Which of the Frameworks are predicated on the assumption that software products are the resolution of these concerns?
Barry L Smith to Everyone (10:32 PM)
Jon, are you essentially asking, “Is experimentation a core element of your framework”?
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:32 PM)
yes
Me to Aki Namioka (Direct Message) (10:33 PM)
What is our “finish” time? One hour or?
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:33 PM)
And “What kind of professionals are involved in the experiment?”
Barry L Smith to Everyone (10:34 PM)
👍🏼
Thanks for the softball, Jon!!!!
Aki Namioka to Me (Direct Message) (10:36 PM)
Around 8:30 or sooner is fine.
Me to Aki Namioka (Direct Message) (10:36 PM)
Thanks
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:43 PM)
Craig Larman emphatically corrected me that emergent architecture is not part of Scrum, as he defines it.
Ron Quartel to Everyone (10:44 PM)
John Cutler, Teresa Torres, Marty Cagan – examples of modern product managers
Ron Lichty to Everyone (10:45 PM)
If Discovery and Delivery are the same in Scrum, why do we need Dual Track Scrum?
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:45 PM)
Klinton Keith advocates for changing work modes for Agile Game development.
Me to Everyone (10:45 PM)
This is the last response for this question. Time to go to the next.
Barry L Smith to Everyone (10:45 PM)
Good question, Ron! Why indeed?
Viktor Grgic to Everyone (10:46 PM)
Dual track Scrum?
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:46 PM)
First, Scrum to find the fun, then lean for repetition of building assets and levels.
Me to Everyone (10:49 PM)
Q3: Do you have any metrics or data why your framework is effective?
Ron Lichty to Everyone (10:51 PM)
In that vein, I highly recommend reading “The Tyranny of Metrics”
Aki Namioka to Everyone (10:52 PM)
Larry Macherrone has done tons of great stuff on metrics. He used to work for Rally, and was able to cull lots of data from the hundreds of thousands of projects on Rally.
He has a paper called the Metrics 7 deadly sins
Ron Quartel to Everyone (10:54 PM)
2/3rds of American’s are overweight – so being overweight is better than not?
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:54 PM)
I saw Larry present about his metrics at Lean Kanban University, and I don’t remember him separating the data by Framework in use by the project teams, unfortunately…
Barry L Smith to Everyone (10:55 PM)
I don’t believe 2/3rds of Americans consciously assessed different approaches to achieve different target weights, and then chose to go with “I’ll be overweight.”
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:56 PM)
Framework are an easy blame target for practitioners who don’t want to own the outcomes they experience. Framework victims are a dime a dozen today.
Josh Novajosky to Everyone (10:56 PM)
In traditional project management, there is a focus on KPIs or OKRs…which are often metric based. Can an Agile framework still provide data to support this?
Barry L Smith to Everyone (10:57 PM)
Of course, Josh – if you find a measurement useful, you can always utilize it.
Ron Quartel to Everyone (10:57 PM)
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (10:57 PM)
Rogue frameworks must be hunted down, jailed, and punished to the full extent of the law. 😇
Ron Quartel to Everyone (10:57 PM)
Rethinking Agile: Why Agile Teams Have Nothing To Do With Business Agility
by Klaus Leopold
Josh Novajosky to Everyone (10:59 PM)
Can you link that book Ron?
Barry L Smith to Everyone (10:59 PM)
Look up ^^^
Ron Quartel to Everyone (10:59 PM)
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (11:01 PM)
A CIO once told me he can’t change the structure of the organization, or how people are paid, etc. Sometimes it doesn’t matter how high you go… you still have to talk people back from the edge, and have them really reconsider their underlying assumptions in practice.
Barry L Smith to Everyone (11:01 PM)
Q: What do an Agile PMO and a HIggs Boson have in common?
Barry L Smith to Everyone (11:02 PM)
A: People tell you they both exist, but have you ever seen one?
Katie to Everyone (11:02 PM)
😂
Viktor Grgic to Everyone (11:03 PM)
😀
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (11:03 PM)
I’ve never seen a chromosome, but I believe!
Viktor Grgic to Everyone (11:06 PM)
Aki Namioka to Everyone (11:08 PM)
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (11:11 PM)
Ad hoc, direct asynchronous communication is happening between 10 teams where I work, and the context switching, and inability to give timely, definitive responses, and circular dependency paradoxes in effectively preventing progress in the same Sprint. “We’re in a log jam.” The snake eats it’s tail and there’s LeSS done work. I’m an eye-witness.
*is
Barry speaks from experience.
How can I tell someone on another team how the API works, which I’m still developing this Sprint?
Barry L Smith to Everyone (11:17 PM)
As a product-manager-turned-agilist – not a software developer – I absolutely believe that architectural choices have a significant impacts on the ability to reduce dependencies.
Viktor Grgic to Everyone (11:17 PM)
by working together on it
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (11:17 PM)
Everybody loves the metaphor of building the airplane they’re already flying, but nobody has ever done it in practice, no matter how much they collaborate.
Barry L Smith to Everyone (11:18 PM)
😜
Ryan Trout to Everyone (11:18 PM)
@jon, we use Swagger documents
@barry… it’s the mindset
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (11:19 PM)
@ryan Were you born with those Swagger documents? Some people were not, and even take some time to write them.
Ron Quartel to Everyone (11:20 PM)
Ron Quartel to Everyone (11:20 PM)
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (11:22 PM)
They do just talk. It’s when the talking does not yield an Increment at the end of the Sprint, that there’s a problem and the admonition to “just talk” fails, and disproves LeSS.
Give glib advice and get a glib smack down.
Me to Everyone (11:22 PM)
😂
Barry L Smith to Everyone (11:23 PM)
The most critical & predictive aspect of team performance is the intra-team sense of “belonging” or psychological safety. Any team-based system needs to explicitly address creating this shared perception.
Ryan Trout to Everyone (11:23 PM)
Thanks Art, great point
Barry L Smith to Everyone (11:24 PM)
Barry L Smith to Everyone (11:25 PM)
Me to Everyone (11:28 PM)
We have 3 minutes left so we’ll wrap up with this question.
Barry L Smith to Everyone (11:28 PM)
Inrementalism works for APIs, too….
Barry L Smith to Everyone (11:32 PM)
Q: “HOW DOES YOUR FRAMEWORK HELP MAKE BETTER STRATEGIC DECISIONS”?
Next time!!!
meghan kennedy to Everyone (11:34 PM)
Thank you everyone, this was very informative
Jon Jorgensen to Everyone (11:34 PM)
If everything is incremental (including without limitation…APIs) via. continuous integration, how is there such a thing as a dependency?
